I am a retired pediatrician in Florida and was once what I call a loyal foot-soldier of the American Academy of Pediatrics and all the three-letter agencies that I had trusted.
During my career, we pediatricians were indoctrinated against anyone who expressed an opinion which questioned the mainstream narrative. When we heard Andrew Wakefield's name, we would laugh and we applauded the decisions of the British medical establishment to banish him.
At the onset of the "Plandemic," I began to look more critically at our government's campaign of fear and quickly concluded that the soon-to-be-released Covid jab was probably going to be neither safe nor effective. Many of my former colleagues as well as some relatives accused me of being unpatriotic. They wondered how I could have made such a quick descent into the anti-vaxx world.
Thankfully there were groups online which formed such as America's Frontline Doctors and the Frontline Covid Critical Care Alliance which offered a refuge for those of us who insisted on practicing critical thinking. It was on one of these internet forums that I too apologized to Andrew Wakefield. He told me that many people had done the same. He was very humble about his growing notoriety which was followed by his vindication as soon as more people realized that he wasn't a lunatic as he had once been portrayed.
I too found Andrew very humble and forgiving. I was particularly touched by his forgiveness of his wife, and the responsibility he takes for the stress he put on the marriage. I hope that she's come to see how impossible the situation was that Andrew was put in. It's been a high cost for her, for Andrew, for the kids.
He's also very compassionate towards his colleagues, even the one who apologized in order to keep his license. And it seems that left the door open for some of them to come back and recant.
I have an episode titled https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/when-did-you-stop-being-wrong? Learning always depends on first realizing you've been wrong. I've hoped that the hashtag #IwasWrong goes viral. So I commend you also, Dr Dan, on your apology. That takes courage, humility and an open mind and heart.
Doc Malik, You utterly ROCKED IT with this interview! One of your Best yet. You so clearly did your due diligence, asked excellent questions, allowed Dr. Wakefield to answer with great thought and articulation. It was an honor to see his humanity and unwaivering integrity. Bravo to both of you! Thankyouthankyouthankyou!
Fiona Godlee was at Bedales School, Steep, Petersfield, Hampshire with me. Like Andrew, she was from a medical family. I remember her as a rather mousy, hard-working library dweller, lacking the more colourful character of her older, red-headed sister Caro.
I am shocked and disgusted to hear that she was willing to conduct a hatchet job on this brilliant, so unjustly persecuted doctor, and has, to date, done nothing to apologize publicly or privately, set the record straight, and undo at least some of the appalling damage to which she has - disgracefully - made a major contribution at a point when she could so easily have helped set the record straight.
Bedales School was in fact established by the Fabian Society, as some of us later discovered. The Fabian Society is an extremely shady Judeo-Masonic organization which, in this case, created a social experiment designed to promote so-called “Christian Socialism”, in other words: Marxism disguised with a thin veneer of superficial adherence to an absolute minimum of Christian standards.
In reality, and whilst maintaining relatively high academic standards (the majority of our teachers were Oxbridge graduates, and we had a consistent annual cohort of sixth form students entering Oxford and Cambridge each year), we were given no absolute moral and ethical standards; instead, we were encouraged to sample every available philosophy and religion, take from them whatever appealed to us individually, and call that our “faith” - with the pseudo-scientific religion of Darwinism offered as our unique, supposedly reliable, yardstick, and the Bible relegated to the bottom of the heap, to be viewed as a partially mythical, unreliable, even socially repressive (“Thou shalt not…”!) piece of literature to be granted status, at best, a little lower than the collected works of William Shakespeare.
Bedales was situated in a ravishingly beautiful “area of outstanding natural beauty” which inadvertently contributed to the temptation to become absorbed in the fundamentally pantheistic, anti-Christian ethos of the school.
Absolute Truth was not only not our foundation: it was presented as a mythical concept, to be, if anything, despised. Relative “truth” - “your truth”, “my truth”, not that still, small voice which Andy refers to at the end of this interview, was what we were urged to idolize.
Andrew: I am so very, very sorry for all you have gone through, and would dearly love to meet you and apologize in person.
From Vancouver Island, Canada, I greet you with gratitude and respect, and salute you for your integrity.
Doc Malik: thank you for facilitating this uplifting interview with one of my most respected medical heroes of all time, and for all the work you are doing to counter the Talmudic Eugenocide* that appears to be approaching its apotheosis in our time.
*Darwin - my great uncle by marriage on my father’s side - and Galton were worshipped as family gods during my childhood. Both were Illuminati Freemasons.
Darwin’s 1859 Origin (published 11 short years before Papal infallibility was blasphemously declared in 1870) and Galton’s Theory of Eugenics (written in Ancient Greek) together formed the literary Anti-bio weapon that, Jesuit-style, aimed to destroy the biblical foundations of the Christian faith by appearing to deny the historicity and veracity of the book of Genesis, and, thence, the belief in the absolute sacredness of human life.
“Lesser” races, undesirable, unproductive groups (the disabled, the elderly, chronic invalids, “unwanted” babies) were to be culled in order to maintain the integrity of the Master Race.
Behind the pagan Graeco-Babylonian philosophies that fed the minds of these men, lurked the shadowy spectre of the same Judaizing belief system that has brought us the military-pharmaceutical-financial monster of the vaccine industry, and the multiple other violations of what was once arguably the most highly respected profession on earth.
Note the ideological affiliation of the heads of every vaccine manufacturing company, most notably Pfizer’s Albert Bourla - who insists that his “special” immune system obviates the need for him to receive any vaccines himself.
This is the monster Dr. Wakefield, and all of us attempting to stand as watchmen on the ramparts, are up against. And our one and only offensive weapon is absolute Truth; and the knowledge that we must be prepared, if necessary, to lose our lives in its defence, rather than bow to Moloch.
Wow wow wow, what a comment. Fascinating. Love your recollections and review of your time at school and appreciation of the wolf in sheep's clothing that is the fabians society! If only everyone had your level of discernment, common sense and logic.
Bless you, dear Doc. Well, as we are all finding, understanding and discernment of the bigger picture only comes after a lot of grubby tunnelling down the proverbial rabbit hole; and usually a whole lot of personal heartache, too.
I am so glad, though, to have been give this opportunity by you and Andy, to shed a little light on why someone like Fiona (“Fi”, in her schooldays) could let herself off the moral and ethical hook, as editor of the BMJ / Lancet - a highly responsible and influential position -, on the grounds of her primary allegiance to the pseudo-morality and -ethics of the Darwinist-Humanist medical establishment; and how she could have done so without a single apparent qualm of conscience, not pausing for even one minute to consider that her failure to grasp the opportunity of restoring Andrew’s reputation would significantly add to the intolerable pressure and trauma that he, his wife, and their children, have already suffered.
A better grasp of the bigger picture doesn’t lessen the pressure or the persecution; but undetstanding who the real players are (as in the final section of chapter 6 of Paul’s epistles to the Ephesians, regarding “ spiritual wickedness in high places”, etc) does help one to bear up and keep plodding on; and it also (perhaps counterintuitively?) actually reduces the fear factor: because we know that, ultimately, those evil powers do not have the last Word.
I'm grateful, Ahmad, that you made this early interview available. I'd heard Andrew Wakefield's name but knew none of the details, even the hype against him. If my faith in humanity had flagged, he would have restored it. He is as full of humanity as any person I've ever heard.
When he talked about the defamation suit and the power of deposition in the US, it reminded me of Robert Malone's frivolous suit against the Breggins. Because I spent several episodes analyzing that suit and spoke with the Breggins, I thought the deposition would be a powerful tool, if the case went through. It could determine beyond a shadow of a doubt Malone's agency contacts, payments and conversations, as I talked about in these: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/who-is-robert-malones-attorney? and https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/malones-million-dollar-pity-party.
The other person I think of with defamation suits is David Irving: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-trials-of-david-irving. I've been talking with some other Substackers about a WW2ruth Liberation Day in May 2025. In the same way the victims of vaccines continue, so do the ongoing victims of every manufactured war, because we think the good guys won.
This was a powerful and inspiring interview with Andrew. Thank you for that, Ahmad.
I was able to convince a friend to avoid the MMR shot for her infant. I said if you insist on vaxxing please ask if your child can have 3 individual shots. She reluctantly agreed. Her pediatrician was ok with it but said they had to wait 2 weeks between shots. That made the mother do a double take but she went ahead anyway. It is so difficult to open people's minds.
I know you were, it just felt uncomfortable when you first said it (and might have warranted a bit of self-editing). But, as you admitted at the start, you were understandably somewhat overawed in the presence of such a great man, and probably felt a tad nervous. You both did exceptionally well and have given us a great gift in this interview. 😇
There are many good interviews with Andrew Wakefield still up on the internet. You only need to listen for a short while to realise that he is a distinguished, conscientious and caring doctor. Nothing at all as he is portrayed in disgusting media hit pieces. If anyone needs evidence to question the motives of the mass media and their tame "experts" in our society, it is amply available in its coverage of this matter.
As an early childhood educator, I have seen so many children diagnosed with autism over the years. I have heard of Wakefield's research. When questioning the need for so many inoculations. I have been presented with they are safe and effective. I have been told that autism is not associated with a vaccine injury. I want to be knowledgeable, while providing accurate information. Where I live, the health unit and media are talking about an increase in the spread of measles. The course of action being provided in the community by the health unit, hospitals, and family doctors is mmr inoculations. What can I do to spread truth into the conversation?
Here's a suggestion for you: Buy one copy of Neil Z. Miller's book "Miller's Review of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers" for yourself and one or more copies to loan to other people. The easy-to-read format makes this book a gem for handing to people who still believe vaccines are safe and effective. Put a paperclip on page 139 (start of chapter on MMR), and on page 228 ("Cancer and Natural Infections"), and on page 248 ("Vitamin A and Measles").
About vaccines and autism, using a non-censoring browser, search for retired neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock's article "The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development." Also look in the Popular Rationalism substack for James Lyons-Weiler's article "Johns Hopkins Continues to Mislead the Public on the State of the Science on Vaccines and Autism." Print these articles out to read yourself and show or loan to others who think it's been proven that vaccines don't cause autism.
You can watch and share Dr. Wakefield’s Vaxxed movies, and you can order and read books such as Turtles All The Way Down (not the eponymous novel, or the eponymous low-brow “critique” which steals the cover design of the original), which will provide you with the historical facts illustrating how and why the science (or, rather, pseudo-science) of “vaccination” (from Vaca: cow, as in Cowpox) came into being and has been so heavily promoted (ultimately by, as it turns out, the same entity that is orchestrating the present Palestinian genocide).
I am not a doctor myself, fyi, just the daughter of one (a family GP, and an ENT specialist) and the niece and cousin of four more (geriatricians, ophthalmologist, oncologist); my interest in vaccines arose indirectly, through private research into my son’s life-threatening chronic haemorrhagic dysentery, aka Ulcerative Colitis, which has kept me down a long dark rabbit labyrinth since April 2012, and forced me to do a lot of painful eye opening.
Thank you Doc for making this interview available to everyone. His ethics and sincerity are far superior to the average doctor and his sham trial and false prosecution was truly reprehensible. Thank you, Andy for putting your patients first and for always speaking the truth no matter the consequences. Such a strange world we live in that medical honesty and safety warrant political assignation.
I am thinking of buying a Waterpure distiller for my sister in Somerset UK. Do you know if the company offers repairs ? I wrote them from canada here but they have not responded .Many thanks . More coffees coming when my chequ arrives!
I am a retired pediatrician in Florida and was once what I call a loyal foot-soldier of the American Academy of Pediatrics and all the three-letter agencies that I had trusted.
During my career, we pediatricians were indoctrinated against anyone who expressed an opinion which questioned the mainstream narrative. When we heard Andrew Wakefield's name, we would laugh and we applauded the decisions of the British medical establishment to banish him.
At the onset of the "Plandemic," I began to look more critically at our government's campaign of fear and quickly concluded that the soon-to-be-released Covid jab was probably going to be neither safe nor effective. Many of my former colleagues as well as some relatives accused me of being unpatriotic. They wondered how I could have made such a quick descent into the anti-vaxx world.
Thankfully there were groups online which formed such as America's Frontline Doctors and the Frontline Covid Critical Care Alliance which offered a refuge for those of us who insisted on practicing critical thinking. It was on one of these internet forums that I too apologized to Andrew Wakefield. He told me that many people had done the same. He was very humble about his growing notoriety which was followed by his vindication as soon as more people realized that he wasn't a lunatic as he had once been portrayed.
I too found Andrew very humble and forgiving. I was particularly touched by his forgiveness of his wife, and the responsibility he takes for the stress he put on the marriage. I hope that she's come to see how impossible the situation was that Andrew was put in. It's been a high cost for her, for Andrew, for the kids.
He's also very compassionate towards his colleagues, even the one who apologized in order to keep his license. And it seems that left the door open for some of them to come back and recant.
I have an episode titled https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/when-did-you-stop-being-wrong? Learning always depends on first realizing you've been wrong. I've hoped that the hashtag #IwasWrong goes viral. So I commend you also, Dr Dan, on your apology. That takes courage, humility and an open mind and heart.
Andrew Wakefield is a hero. Thank you for interviewing him, Doc.
Doc Malik, You utterly ROCKED IT with this interview! One of your Best yet. You so clearly did your due diligence, asked excellent questions, allowed Dr. Wakefield to answer with great thought and articulation. It was an honor to see his humanity and unwaivering integrity. Bravo to both of you! Thankyouthankyouthankyou!
Get a film out to get his message to the world …his story is epic …we salute Dr Andrew Wakefield true warrior 🔥🌟❤️
Dr. Wakefield has been doing exactly that for several years now, starting with the first two VAXXED movies - which are outstanding.
Fascinating . Your are both heroes .Be safe
Ex RFHSM 1973 ❤️
Fiona Godlee was at Bedales School, Steep, Petersfield, Hampshire with me. Like Andrew, she was from a medical family. I remember her as a rather mousy, hard-working library dweller, lacking the more colourful character of her older, red-headed sister Caro.
I am shocked and disgusted to hear that she was willing to conduct a hatchet job on this brilliant, so unjustly persecuted doctor, and has, to date, done nothing to apologize publicly or privately, set the record straight, and undo at least some of the appalling damage to which she has - disgracefully - made a major contribution at a point when she could so easily have helped set the record straight.
Bedales School was in fact established by the Fabian Society, as some of us later discovered. The Fabian Society is an extremely shady Judeo-Masonic organization which, in this case, created a social experiment designed to promote so-called “Christian Socialism”, in other words: Marxism disguised with a thin veneer of superficial adherence to an absolute minimum of Christian standards.
In reality, and whilst maintaining relatively high academic standards (the majority of our teachers were Oxbridge graduates, and we had a consistent annual cohort of sixth form students entering Oxford and Cambridge each year), we were given no absolute moral and ethical standards; instead, we were encouraged to sample every available philosophy and religion, take from them whatever appealed to us individually, and call that our “faith” - with the pseudo-scientific religion of Darwinism offered as our unique, supposedly reliable, yardstick, and the Bible relegated to the bottom of the heap, to be viewed as a partially mythical, unreliable, even socially repressive (“Thou shalt not…”!) piece of literature to be granted status, at best, a little lower than the collected works of William Shakespeare.
Bedales was situated in a ravishingly beautiful “area of outstanding natural beauty” which inadvertently contributed to the temptation to become absorbed in the fundamentally pantheistic, anti-Christian ethos of the school.
Absolute Truth was not only not our foundation: it was presented as a mythical concept, to be, if anything, despised. Relative “truth” - “your truth”, “my truth”, not that still, small voice which Andy refers to at the end of this interview, was what we were urged to idolize.
Andrew: I am so very, very sorry for all you have gone through, and would dearly love to meet you and apologize in person.
From Vancouver Island, Canada, I greet you with gratitude and respect, and salute you for your integrity.
Doc Malik: thank you for facilitating this uplifting interview with one of my most respected medical heroes of all time, and for all the work you are doing to counter the Talmudic Eugenocide* that appears to be approaching its apotheosis in our time.
*Darwin - my great uncle by marriage on my father’s side - and Galton were worshipped as family gods during my childhood. Both were Illuminati Freemasons.
Darwin’s 1859 Origin (published 11 short years before Papal infallibility was blasphemously declared in 1870) and Galton’s Theory of Eugenics (written in Ancient Greek) together formed the literary Anti-bio weapon that, Jesuit-style, aimed to destroy the biblical foundations of the Christian faith by appearing to deny the historicity and veracity of the book of Genesis, and, thence, the belief in the absolute sacredness of human life.
“Lesser” races, undesirable, unproductive groups (the disabled, the elderly, chronic invalids, “unwanted” babies) were to be culled in order to maintain the integrity of the Master Race.
Behind the pagan Graeco-Babylonian philosophies that fed the minds of these men, lurked the shadowy spectre of the same Judaizing belief system that has brought us the military-pharmaceutical-financial monster of the vaccine industry, and the multiple other violations of what was once arguably the most highly respected profession on earth.
Note the ideological affiliation of the heads of every vaccine manufacturing company, most notably Pfizer’s Albert Bourla - who insists that his “special” immune system obviates the need for him to receive any vaccines himself.
This is the monster Dr. Wakefield, and all of us attempting to stand as watchmen on the ramparts, are up against. And our one and only offensive weapon is absolute Truth; and the knowledge that we must be prepared, if necessary, to lose our lives in its defence, rather than bow to Moloch.
Wow wow wow, what a comment. Fascinating. Love your recollections and review of your time at school and appreciation of the wolf in sheep's clothing that is the fabians society! If only everyone had your level of discernment, common sense and logic.
Bless you, dear Doc. Well, as we are all finding, understanding and discernment of the bigger picture only comes after a lot of grubby tunnelling down the proverbial rabbit hole; and usually a whole lot of personal heartache, too.
I am so glad, though, to have been give this opportunity by you and Andy, to shed a little light on why someone like Fiona (“Fi”, in her schooldays) could let herself off the moral and ethical hook, as editor of the BMJ / Lancet - a highly responsible and influential position -, on the grounds of her primary allegiance to the pseudo-morality and -ethics of the Darwinist-Humanist medical establishment; and how she could have done so without a single apparent qualm of conscience, not pausing for even one minute to consider that her failure to grasp the opportunity of restoring Andrew’s reputation would significantly add to the intolerable pressure and trauma that he, his wife, and their children, have already suffered.
A better grasp of the bigger picture doesn’t lessen the pressure or the persecution; but undetstanding who the real players are (as in the final section of chapter 6 of Paul’s epistles to the Ephesians, regarding “ spiritual wickedness in high places”, etc) does help one to bear up and keep plodding on; and it also (perhaps counterintuitively?) actually reduces the fear factor: because we know that, ultimately, those evil powers do not have the last Word.
(Revelation 12: 12)
This was a really good interview -- thank you!
I'm grateful, Ahmad, that you made this early interview available. I'd heard Andrew Wakefield's name but knew none of the details, even the hype against him. If my faith in humanity had flagged, he would have restored it. He is as full of humanity as any person I've ever heard.
When he talked about the defamation suit and the power of deposition in the US, it reminded me of Robert Malone's frivolous suit against the Breggins. Because I spent several episodes analyzing that suit and spoke with the Breggins, I thought the deposition would be a powerful tool, if the case went through. It could determine beyond a shadow of a doubt Malone's agency contacts, payments and conversations, as I talked about in these: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/who-is-robert-malones-attorney? and https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/malones-million-dollar-pity-party.
The other person I think of with defamation suits is David Irving: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-trials-of-david-irving. I've been talking with some other Substackers about a WW2ruth Liberation Day in May 2025. In the same way the victims of vaccines continue, so do the ongoing victims of every manufactured war, because we think the good guys won.
This was a powerful and inspiring interview with Andrew. Thank you for that, Ahmad.
One word: Gaza.
Do you mean as the "ongoing victims of every manufactured war, because we think the good guys won"?
That sums it up pretty well, Teresa, yes.
Andy needs to create a documentary about his personal experience !!!
I was able to convince a friend to avoid the MMR shot for her infant. I said if you insist on vaxxing please ask if your child can have 3 individual shots. She reluctantly agreed. Her pediatrician was ok with it but said they had to wait 2 weeks between shots. That made the mother do a double take but she went ahead anyway. It is so difficult to open people's minds.
Well done for at least trying to help her open her mind.
So then she’s tripled the amount of adjuvant.. doesn’t sound good to me
But still preferable to the triple shot; and at least the mother has begun to question the “science” of vaccination / immunization.
Worth a second listen! I could happily hear a second interview with Dr Wakefield. (Maybe leave the subject of "white privilege" alone!)
Yes and yes - to both suggestions (agreed, the “white privilege” comment was out of place and rather thoughtless).
I was being sarcastic, afterwards Andrew apologised for being slow on the uptake and laughed about it
I know you were, it just felt uncomfortable when you first said it (and might have warranted a bit of self-editing). But, as you admitted at the start, you were understandably somewhat overawed in the presence of such a great man, and probably felt a tad nervous. You both did exceptionally well and have given us a great gift in this interview. 😇
There are many good interviews with Andrew Wakefield still up on the internet. You only need to listen for a short while to realise that he is a distinguished, conscientious and caring doctor. Nothing at all as he is portrayed in disgusting media hit pieces. If anyone needs evidence to question the motives of the mass media and their tame "experts" in our society, it is amply available in its coverage of this matter.
As an early childhood educator, I have seen so many children diagnosed with autism over the years. I have heard of Wakefield's research. When questioning the need for so many inoculations. I have been presented with they are safe and effective. I have been told that autism is not associated with a vaccine injury. I want to be knowledgeable, while providing accurate information. Where I live, the health unit and media are talking about an increase in the spread of measles. The course of action being provided in the community by the health unit, hospitals, and family doctors is mmr inoculations. What can I do to spread truth into the conversation?
Here's a suggestion for you: Buy one copy of Neil Z. Miller's book "Miller's Review of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers" for yourself and one or more copies to loan to other people. The easy-to-read format makes this book a gem for handing to people who still believe vaccines are safe and effective. Put a paperclip on page 139 (start of chapter on MMR), and on page 228 ("Cancer and Natural Infections"), and on page 248 ("Vitamin A and Measles").
About vaccines and autism, using a non-censoring browser, search for retired neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock's article "The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development." Also look in the Popular Rationalism substack for James Lyons-Weiler's article "Johns Hopkins Continues to Mislead the Public on the State of the Science on Vaccines and Autism." Print these articles out to read yourself and show or loan to others who think it's been proven that vaccines don't cause autism.
I hope these suggestions are helpful to you!
thanks for the recommendations, the Braylock review paper was absolutely concise summarization of everything I’ve ever read and considered.
Excellent!
You can watch and share Dr. Wakefield’s Vaxxed movies, and you can order and read books such as Turtles All The Way Down (not the eponymous novel, or the eponymous low-brow “critique” which steals the cover design of the original), which will provide you with the historical facts illustrating how and why the science (or, rather, pseudo-science) of “vaccination” (from Vaca: cow, as in Cowpox) came into being and has been so heavily promoted (ultimately by, as it turns out, the same entity that is orchestrating the present Palestinian genocide).
I am not a doctor myself, fyi, just the daughter of one (a family GP, and an ENT specialist) and the niece and cousin of four more (geriatricians, ophthalmologist, oncologist); my interest in vaccines arose indirectly, through private research into my son’s life-threatening chronic haemorrhagic dysentery, aka Ulcerative Colitis, which has kept me down a long dark rabbit labyrinth since April 2012, and forced me to do a lot of painful eye opening.
Thank you Doc for making this interview available to everyone. His ethics and sincerity are far superior to the average doctor and his sham trial and false prosecution was truly reprehensible. Thank you, Andy for putting your patients first and for always speaking the truth no matter the consequences. Such a strange world we live in that medical honesty and safety warrant political assignation.
Amazing interview. God help anyone who tries to obstruct the forces of evil in the guise of vested interests.
Dear Ahmad
I am thinking of buying a Waterpure distiller for my sister in Somerset UK. Do you know if the company offers repairs ? I wrote them from canada here but they have not responded .Many thanks . More coffees coming when my chequ arrives!