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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

This should be an interesting conversation! As it happens, I noticed some new sign-ups from Peak Prosperity yesterday and discovered Chris had linked to Mike Yeadon’s reading (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-video-dr-mike) of Mistakes Were NOT Made:

https://peakprosperity.com/int-rates-higher-for-longer-euro-confetti-mistakes-were-not-made/

Chris, if you’re reading this, thank you for sharing Mike’s reading of my poem and, most importantly, for being brave enough to say Mistakes Were NOT Made.

Ahmad, thank you for highlighting Dennis Meadows’s dark agenda. I encourage everyone to watch his bone-chilling interview clip and read the excerpts I shared in Part 1 of my “Anatomy to a Philanthropath” series:

• “Part 1: A Mostly Peaceful Depopulation”: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-philanthropath-dreams

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Doc Malik's avatar

thank you

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Briony's avatar

This may sound like an over simplification but surely anyone who believes the answer to over population is depopulation - well they know what they need to do!

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Frances Leader's avatar

Thanks for asking me to watch and listen to this particular podcast. I made a few notes of points I wanted to make as the discussion progressed.

There were moments when I could not agree with either of you and others when I understood you both reasonably well. I don't want to discuss my misgivings here. I will save them for our podcast date in July, Doc. We have much to thrash through and it will probably be very lively. I am sure you know what I mean!

There is one issue which I feel should not wait though.

The issue of finite or infinite resources.

Back in 2022 I chose to write my most controversial research into a fiction novel. I literally concealed my greatest and most powerful 'finds' in a story about a rich young woman who was taking her first journey down the rabbit holes of conspiracy reality.

In one particular chapter I introduced the Fusion Torch of infinitely recyclable matter.

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/lymp-goes-down-the-rabbit-hole

I quoted the inventors of the Fusion Torch verbatim in that chapter.

In the comments I was able to augment the material hidden in my fictional novel:

"For materials processing and natural resources, the plasma torch, operating at temperatures below that required for fusion, can break down and separate many materials into their constituent elements and isotopes, meaning that chemical and nuclear “waste” can be processed into valuable resources. Such plasma torches can be a driver towards the higher densities of power achievable with a self-sustaining fusion reaction, at which point we could theoretically extract many times the current annual production of iron, copper, aluminium, and many other resources from virtually any cubic mile of dirt, and reprocess the valuable concentrations of materials in landfills."

So you see, Doc. You were right to refuse to accept that resources are finite. BUT when Chris Mortensen used the word dirt.... twice.... I realised that he knows about the Fusion Torch as do all the predator class.

I knew they were working on Fusion Energy.... King Charles III gave hints to it in his write-up in the Carta Terra document. It seems to me that this phenomenally powerful technology has been shelved and 'concealed' (another evocative word which reared its head during that podcast) Yes, controlled opposition does work to CONCEAL a great deal from us...... at least until the depopulation agenda has been concluded and the rich results of free energy and pure elements can be enjoyed by the predatorial few.

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/cold-fusion-revolution-finally-under

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Joyful Heart's avatar

@20:01 - "Who's we?" Great question, Doc! WE (you and I) didn't decide to unleash deadly toxins EVERYWHERE without regard to safety. GRAS is BS. The FDA and EPA are captured agencies in the US. I'm sure it's the same in every other country. Safe, cheap energy has never been allowed and there are far too many stories of inventors of such technologies meeting suspicious and untimely deaths. Things like plastics were not MY idea. I'm sure they weren't yours either. While they outlawed all hemp products for decades, this and bamboo and other likely many other alternatives could have been rolled out but were instead suppressed. Food could have been safely and humanely cultivated and raised in a way that would be in harmony with nature and the planet but that wasn't any way to control the food supply so we never had that. You should interview Joel Salatin of Polyface Farms.

Did WE decide to spray wetlands with herbicides? NOT A CHANCE. But every municipality and county is doing it. I watched them destroy natural wetlands behind my last house and all of the native frogs and turtles (endangered) disappeared immediately after. And can we talk about the chemtrails they're spewing? One of the few ingredients they admit to is silver iodide which, according to the MSDS sheet I read, said was highly toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects. So, Chris, was that "WE" who decided that was a good idea? I'd just as soon have the pilots spraying those toxins and those city/county workers spraying the pesticides and herbicides ARRESTED for terrorism, treason, and murder for all they've done. And those who understand what's happening in reality would probably agree with me. Bring on the damn tar and feathers for those responsible but it's not ME or YOU FFS!

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corinne's avatar

I agree with you Ahmed. We the people don't want toxically produced food. We don't like environmental destruction. If we got rid of the greed class and psychopathic murderers then we can go back to community driven local government or better still anarchy so we can make our own decisions. What an amazing world we could build without all their crap in it.

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Doc Malik's avatar

this made me very sad, I'm going to bed now. :(

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Gary's avatar

Yes, me too Doc. I felt I had to share it because it really touched a nerve. So sad. A good family man (and no fool) just trying his best to survive in this wicked world.

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Mathew Crawford's avatar

I would be happy to debate Chris Martenson on the concept of finite oil. His body language says that he needs to sell people on this resource cap, but there are a lot of arguments against it that seem obvious to the conversation, but he never handles.

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Crosscat's avatar

I have followed Chris from relatively early on ( ?2021) and have always thought him to be a genuine good guy. I’ve also listened to the DarkHorse podcast with Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying from when they were first recommended in the DailySceptic ( think it was LockdownSceptics back then) which may have been late 2020, I can’t remember. Anyway, I’ve listened to this husband and wife team interact over many hours and feel like I know them (in the same way that I feel I know you from listening to so many conversations) and while I think he panicked and got stuff wrong in the beginning, which he has freely admitted multiple times since, I think he is also a genuine good guy with a fascinating brain that works in such a logical fashion. He has been demonetised and ostracised for his stance. We should refrain from jumping to conclusions without first doing our research (!).

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Doc Malik's avatar

Thank you, you are not the first to tell me this. And you are right.

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nosey parker's avatar

I generally agree with you, Ahmad, but I noticed that when the two of you (males) started talking about the West being a death cult, you BOTH went off on a harangue about abortion. A couple points. Neither you nor he has ever been pregnant. (Nor could you if you wanted to, whatever the transgender people say.) Neither he nor you has ever tried to make a living on women's wages. Although you spend more time than your wife does with your kids now, that's because you were cancelled. Before you were cancelled SHE worked part-time. And most men do not do this. I am sick and tired of men pontificating about abortion when pregnancy, labor, nurturing life for 20+ years isn't something very many of them do. And NONE of them creates life. Let's talk about that, shall we? Ejaculation doesn't count on that score.

How about we talk about Palestine and hunger and income inequality and a militaristic economy and the dominance of men in these systems as well the censorship business and the surveillance business and the policing business? These systems are way more death cults than women trying, against all odds, to live a life in which they are true to themselves. And they are created by and dominated by men.

But I suppose it is too much to include women in that statement about living true to themselves. We don't count there, do we?

Think about the message you are sending your daughter.

And while we're on the subject, let's talk about rape inside and outside of relationship, shall we?

The problem is not over-population, although I do believe in zero population growth. (And have done one better--I'll leave half of a human when I die. You are leaving 1.5 yourself.) The problem is consumerism. And over-consumption. And not conserving, not taking care of your cave. And that's a very Western problem. Being online is a form of over-consumption on a number of levels. Everyone carrying a cellphone in their back pocket (and giving them to their children) is a very serious problem. All the 5G is a HUGE problem. Electricity is a problem. The assumption that every person needs their own bedroom is a problem. And their own car. And god knows how many pairs of shoes. And their own electronic gadgets. If you had to wash clothing by hand (as your grandma or great-grandma did, as did mine), you wouldn't have so much clothing. You only need one set at a time.

The problem is not about women having choice in their lives the way men do. That is NOT the problem.

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Doc Malik's avatar

I agree, please come and say this on my supporter stories

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Jennifer's avatar

I too get tired of listening to all the men pontificate about abortion. They need some compassion for women and an attempt to understand why they may seek an abortion. This constant negative approach will be castigating many listeners.

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Doc Malik's avatar

I generally stay away from the topic of abortion because I am a man. I appreciate there are some valid reasons for abortion. I am not 100% against abortion for the right reasons, and ultimately the decision lies with the pregnant woman and no one else. But there has been a push to normalise abortion rather than support women. There has been an unprecedented rise in the last few decades. The question is why? Around 200,000 abortions are carried out in England and Wales each year and just under 14,000 in Scotland; the most common reason cited under the ICD-10 classification system for around 98% of all abortions is "risk to woman's mental health. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_Kingdom) It only recently came to my attention that aborted fetuses are not actually disposed of, but rather sold to Big Pharma and the cosmetic industry and I wonder whether this is behind the rise....

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nosey parker's avatar

https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

Check it out. Productivity has risen 4.4X pay since 1979. So most wage slaves are paid 1/4 what they should be. That's 25%. That's your patients, by the way. None of the next generation in my family has kids. NONE. (I'm probably your parents' age, or possibly older.) The only ones who own a home are the kids of a sister who married a trust fund baby. The next generation range in age from 19-43. Most are at the upper end of that age range. All are well-educated as were their parents. One of the trust fund babies is married. And they both work in hospitality. Without that trust fund there's no way they could afford their current life. That's it. One out of 11 and I don't see any changes on the horizon for them. The only well-off people among my siblings (in real terms) married either a highly productive workaholic who took stock options when she retired from a very successful tech company--retired at age 39-- or into a family with inherited wealth. The one with the highest earned income (mid-6 figures) spends more than he makes so he's probably the poorest (and while growing up the most privileged as the first-born male) of us all. In real dollars, I'm the poorest. But I'm also the most financially secure in real terms (not $$) because I have land from which I can produce most of what I need. They have houses. In big cities. Poor fucks. The younger generation mostly rent.

Honestly, I don't know why people are having children in this situation. What do they have to look forward to? Teach your kids to garden and how to raise animals (for food). Carpentry, plumbing basics, electrical basics (so they can create their own electricity) and to disdain--that is, to HATE--consumerism. For their own survival. Also, auto mechanics.

Unless you think you are raising a predatory, psychopathic billionaire. I kind of doubt it, Ahmad, from the sense I get of your humanity.

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Doc Malik's avatar

This is so depressing but so real 😭

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nosey parker's avatar

That's not women's choice. That's the men who run the healthcare industries' choice. This is not the cause of the rise. The rise comes from giving women the choice. Every child has a right to be 100% wanted AND PLANNED. And to have every chance in life. If a woman has to give up her dreams and realizing her potential, using her gifts, which MOST women must even now, that child is cheated of the life they should, by fact of being born, have. And if you look at the last rise in the last few decades, I suggest you look at the economic situation of most women or even of the Baby Boomer generation. In the U.S. in 1977 the actual value of labor flattened out as productivity went sky high. If minimum wage were the same today in real value as it was in 1994 ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION it would be $23 an hour. What is it? $7 and change. When I first started working at age 18 in the U.S. I was paid $1.60 which was minimum wage. That was 1972. What is that worth today? Roughly $14. What is minimum wage today? $7.25. So the lower paid workers, which most women are, are making HALF of what they were when they first entered the job market as teenagers. No. All women do not make minimum wage. But the vast majority of minimum wage workers are either teenagers or female. You don't think this has anything to do with choices women have to make? Why was it possible for wages to flat line in 1977, yet productivity to rise so high? I think it's something like three times what it was in 1972. Maybe higher now. Yet the most vulnerable are paid half what they were then. So the income differential between the highest paid and the lowest is phenomenal. In fact, it's very similar to what it was in the early 70's in Iran--between the filthy rich Shah and the ruling class and the impoverished farm workers working land they did not own. How was it possible to pay workers so much less as productivity rose? Women. Women entered the workforce in the late 60's and early 70's at the peak of the Baby Boomers leaving school. Some women entered it out of choice. But most women HAD to enter it to survive (even if they wanted to pursue a "career") or help their families survive--whether the nuclear families they were born into or families they were creating with someone else who couldn't support the whole she-bang OR who left them high and dry with kids to raise by themselves when the guys got bored and had to run off to realize THEMselves. And the women were paid 60% of what the men were FOR THE SAME WORK. Now that is supposedly up to 70-something%. Maybe. If you don't count those who don't work for their income at all. Whose incomes are huge.

You keep saying "follow the money". Do.

Who benefits? The billionaire class. Let's (fill in the blank) them. As well as men. Let's face it. Men benefited. Men's pay went up because they had poorly paid women "supporting" them even at work, making them more productive. And then those women would go home and take care of the household and the kids and the in-laws and their own parents and on and on and on. And if you think most of those women were in fulfilling jobs you are SERIOUSLY deluded.

Fucking EXHAUSTING, Ahmad. You complain you've lost your career. I'm not saying it isn't awful. It is. But at least you had the career you wanted for awhile. You had really good pay most women can only dream of.

Stop blaming mother. It's in REALLY bad taste. If you haven't a uterus you are incapable of figuring out what is or is not a "valid reason" for having an abortion. If you don't like abortion, KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS. Men should NOT be able to vote about this topic. They don't have a clue.

You should see what they put in livestock feed (whose bodies you eat) and pet food. OMG. Humans do horrendous things to animal babies. What do you think veal is? What do you think lamb is? At what age do you think chickens are murdered? Do you really think humans are the only creatures who are sentient and have emotional ties to family members and complex social connections? Think again.

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RichML's avatar

Great observation about resisting being "awake"!

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Michael Ginsburg's avatar

Just leaving this here Ahmad if you don't mind as I believe it adds important context to anything Chris said to you in this episode:

https://substack.com/@michaelginsburg/note/c-59199979

I also want commend you for challenging Chris about falling into the fear porn himself in the early days...

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Simon Filiatrault's avatar

Very nice

A friend of mine, big on energy topics calculated that with all known reserve of oil/gas/coal, we would have a hard time to build all the nuclear energy to replace fossil in the long term. We will need more innovations that creates high energy sources without the need to destroy whatever resources we still have.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

See the section on Buckminster Fuller and his quotes debunking the Malthusian lies of energy scarcity in this piece:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/against-defeatism-the-apocaloptimist

Here’s a teaser:

“A vast overabundance of this Earthian cosmic energy income is now technically impoundable and distributable to humanity by presently proven technology. We are not allowed to enjoy this primarily because taxhungry government bureaucracies and moneydrunk big business can’t figure a way of putting meters between these cosmic energy sources and the Earthian passengers, so nothing is done about it.”

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Simon Filiatrault's avatar

We know exactly what to do to build nuclear power based on fission of uranium and thorium. We have enough resources to last 100,000 years at the levels of consumption of the USA, for 10 billion souls.

The hard part is to build enough power stations and distribution for the world with the fossil reserve we have easily accessible.

Maybe fusion will help, but we still have to build those stations and distribution. This takes energy.

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Joyful Heart's avatar

A few years ago, I met a nuclear engineer who had worked under the Reagan administration. He had developed and built a thorium based nuclear reactor the size of a BBQ propane tank that could power two homes for 10 years on $6 worth of material and the byproduct was the cure for leukemia and lymphoma. What didn't hit the market??? This decentralized, cheap, safe energy solution and the cure for cancer. Instead we have these ridiculous conversations about scarcity and we run for the cure. smh It makes me SICK

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Simon Filiatrault's avatar

Feel free to share any links or information on this very important work.

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Joyful Heart's avatar

It was a verbal conversation with the nuclear engineer who, with a team, developed this technology. It wasn't a paper I read. He had been using the reactor on his off-grid property with full knowledge of the government but he specifically said they had recently confiscated it and he believed it was sent to Hanford (in Washington State). My chance meeting with this man and the long conversation we had changed a whole lot of my view of this world. It was another massive awakening for me. Is there information on this invention? I don't know. I'm not a scientist myself and it's not something I looked into further except to confirm the use of molten salt in reactors, the use of thorium and the existence of the byproduct he said was turned into the cure for cancer. It was Bismuth 213 and he said Sloan-Kettering turned it into a cure for leukemia and lymphoma in a series of 3 shots. I had no reason to doubt what he said. He also relayed that most of the time he was working for our government, he was not allowed to tell anyone anything. His own mother didn't know he worked for Reagan. He said he was there for the SALT talks and, because he knew Russian, he was able to confirm the translations that were fed to Reagan. He was, hands down, the most interesting person I've ever met. Maybe you're better at scientific research than I and can take what I've shared and find some information yourself. I personally doubt that there is anything publicly published on the nuclear reactor he developed. Our government isn't all that forthcoming with these types of secrets. I was shocked that man shared as much as he did with me. He was definitely getting well up there in years. Maybe he just stopped caring about keeping those secrets.

There was one other bit of information I remember about the reactors. He said he was having the body of the reactors manufactured in Portland, Oregon. If I had a chance to speak with that man again, I'd have a whole lot more questions I'd ask but somehow my friend and I walked away without even getting his name.

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Simon Filiatrault's avatar

Many things stated here are known facts. Here's a quick recap by ChatGPT

https://chatgpt.com/share/b00b8c45-262f-4a8c-9219-284950fc62ce

I've been following the work Kirk Sorenson for years now on LFTR, here's the web site

https://energyfromthorium.com

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corinne's avatar

Or if we had less psychopathic murderers in charge we could just rebuild all the Teslar free energy technology and free water energy. There haa been so much of it put out there that has been shut down by these same people we wouldn't need nuclear power at all.

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Simon Filiatrault's avatar

I would love to see working prototypes of this, I've not seen it in the last 4 decades of looking for it. Feel free to share your research.

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