This conversation was highly emotional for Tom Renz. We can see he is exhausted - we all are.
I thought you did well to keep the discussion realistic and grounded.
I thought you expressed your misgivings about Trump and RFK Jr with measured passion and it looked as if that surprised Tom. Maybe he seldom hears the doubts that many of us have.
It was apparent to me that Tom has great faith in his president. He does not seem to consider who is pulling geo-political strings.
I have noticed this about a lot of Americans. There is a weird myopia going on. They seem oblivious about the global lock-step of the recent decade which should have alerted them to the criminal nature of the interlocked international syndicates behind the scenes.
100% on the money Frances. I sensed he was exhausted too. I also thought he was very emotional too. A good guy, who sees that there is great evil in the world, but I believe he is putting too much faith in people who aren't going to be saving us...
Tom seems sincere and obviously has great depth, but I am afraid he’s one of those patriotic Americans who can’t seem to see beyond America to the bigger picture…his excuses for Trump being uninformed were laughable.As for Bobby who I was wary of turns out he really is a booby! Shame but I agree on the larger apathy of humanity!
I tried to hit like on this comment and my phone didn't allow, so Thank you!
I personally felt something uncomfortable during this interview. I appreciate Doc Malik bringing up Trump as warpspeed orchestrator. How can we have any discussion without accountability for millions murdered , maimed and walking around w tech infrastructure in their Sacred human bodies?
Yes, that feels resonant, Janice. As an American I am becoming sensitive to what I deem as “maga-speak”. I feel a whitewash of the last 5+ years occuring. I will not forget. 🙌
I meant to say that the point you made on accountability is very relevant too. I shake my head every day at the fact that the majority just won't pick up on the lack of accountability from anyone, on any topic. When I give my reasons and rationale, most people say "ah, give them more time" or "you can't fight the system. You just have to accept it and get on with your life". I for one and amongst many, am not happy with watching the ever tightening grip of technocracy, communitarism etc take place on a macro and micro level.
I personally believe that those inner-knowing feelings and promptings of something “amiss” are the gateway to our deepest Power. I also feel that when we honor them(either within or by speaking them) that we can create an impenetrable bridge of Light.🌟🌟🌟
You always hit the nail on the head and say it how it is Frances. It's people like you and Ahmad that keep me going, knowing that I'm not alone and deluded 😂. There are a few others like David A Hughes and Patrick Wood but I'm a little on the fence about them in some ways.
Great to hear Tom Renz in conversation. Ahmad, I think what you say about Trump (literally an actor) and RFK Jr is fair. “By their fruit you will recognise them.”
What an amazing man. I was captivated by Tom. I get a feeling someone like him will lose it if Trump fails, given he has so much hope in him. I think most of us are like that now.
I came here to leave a comment; and then I read a few before starting to write this …
(Fascinating and so human that I kind of heard a “different conversation” to the one which some other people heard: but that’s just the way it is with experience: that’s why it’s so important we all be able to speak freely.)
What I came here to say was:
1. Such a great conversation: thank you.
2. I hugely appreciate the space and listening silence you gave Tom when he spoke for several minutes around the 1 hour 35 mark. He sees things a bit differently from you. But you let him say how he sees things. Which meant we could all benefit from hearing two points of view.
3. I also admire and appreciate your response, when you said how you got it that you, Doc Malik, didn’t know what it was like to be president or HHS secretary. I think this was “big” and also right of you. (Myself, I think that each of us are continuously subject to such a barrage of Asch conformity pressures and Milgram authority pressures that - even when we’re US president or HHS secretary - it’s very difficult to act with that piercing focus and integrity which the Cartesian model and rationalist epistemology suggest. Therefore we must sometimes make allowances for those in power. And of course the question is: when? So, whilst I don’t share the same degree of suspicion as you do of Trump, I gladly listen to you with heightened interest - because I admire you and because you, here, think differently from me.)
4. Lastly, my partner, Charlotte - whom I treated to your health retreat in June - had the most wonderful time ever with you: thank you so much. She still talks about it with such joy. And I know the experiences she had will continue to be a strength and blessing to her.
You’re a great spirit, Doc: thank you.
Always all the best,
Stephen (and if you come through Shropshire, please let us know)
Thanks Doc. You and Tom are two of my favourite geezers. You’re right, until we all rise up nothing will happen. We are many, they are few. We can win this!! 😃❤️
Dang right there... It's hard work trying to get others to take you seriously though. Very few are the slightest bit interested... The apathy is off the chart. I understand 'why', to a degree, but surely fighting for future freedom is more important than anything. For some of us it is but we are still too few imho.
Of course I have heard about Tom Rense throughout these last few years but no details about him. I was so impressed with him during this podcast. Thank you Doc for shining this light on him. The two of you are shining stars in this world of deception. Much love!
Matthew :20- you will know them by their fruits. Trump has family, other trusted sources. Trumps a baddie Doc. And as for Tom R, I’m going to give him the Benefit of the doubt for the moment, who clearly was uncomfortable with the direction of the conversation which reminded me of a deer in headlights.
This is an absolute stand out conversation with so much I needed to understand about our current situation. Thank you so much Ahmad and Tom. Just wonderful, and I’ve shared it widely. I certainly am doubting Trump, but respect Tom’s opinions too.
This conversation was highly emotional for Tom Renz. We can see he is exhausted - we all are.
I thought you did well to keep the discussion realistic and grounded.
I thought you expressed your misgivings about Trump and RFK Jr with measured passion and it looked as if that surprised Tom. Maybe he seldom hears the doubts that many of us have.
It was apparent to me that Tom has great faith in his president. He does not seem to consider who is pulling geo-political strings.
I have noticed this about a lot of Americans. There is a weird myopia going on. They seem oblivious about the global lock-step of the recent decade which should have alerted them to the criminal nature of the interlocked international syndicates behind the scenes.
https://onwardpod.substack.com/p/who-really-rules-the-world
100% on the money Frances. I sensed he was exhausted too. I also thought he was very emotional too. A good guy, who sees that there is great evil in the world, but I believe he is putting too much faith in people who aren't going to be saving us...
Tom seems sincere and obviously has great depth, but I am afraid he’s one of those patriotic Americans who can’t seem to see beyond America to the bigger picture…his excuses for Trump being uninformed were laughable.As for Bobby who I was wary of turns out he really is a booby! Shame but I agree on the larger apathy of humanity!
I tried to hit like on this comment and my phone didn't allow, so Thank you!
I personally felt something uncomfortable during this interview. I appreciate Doc Malik bringing up Trump as warpspeed orchestrator. How can we have any discussion without accountability for millions murdered , maimed and walking around w tech infrastructure in their Sacred human bodies?
✨🙌💫
I felt uncomfortable too midway through the interview, until Ahmad very honestly gave his counter opinion on Trump and RFK.
Yes, that feels resonant, Janice. As an American I am becoming sensitive to what I deem as “maga-speak”. I feel a whitewash of the last 5+ years occuring. I will not forget. 🙌
I meant to say that the point you made on accountability is very relevant too. I shake my head every day at the fact that the majority just won't pick up on the lack of accountability from anyone, on any topic. When I give my reasons and rationale, most people say "ah, give them more time" or "you can't fight the system. You just have to accept it and get on with your life". I for one and amongst many, am not happy with watching the ever tightening grip of technocracy, communitarism etc take place on a macro and micro level.
Agreed.
I personally believe that those inner-knowing feelings and promptings of something “amiss” are the gateway to our deepest Power. I also feel that when we honor them(either within or by speaking them) that we can create an impenetrable bridge of Light.🌟🌟🌟
Thank you for this conversation.🙏
You always hit the nail on the head and say it how it is Frances. It's people like you and Ahmad that keep me going, knowing that I'm not alone and deluded 😂. There are a few others like David A Hughes and Patrick Wood but I'm a little on the fence about them in some ways.
That is kind of you to say, Janis! I am sitting beside you on that fence, as it happens! xx
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Wholly informative and sometimes inspiring interview. You both knocked it outta the ballpark...despite Renz's Big Delusions about Trump. (WTF.)
This guy brought me to tears and he's correct we are the problem.
Great to hear Tom Renz in conversation. Ahmad, I think what you say about Trump (literally an actor) and RFK Jr is fair. “By their fruit you will recognise them.”
What an amazing man. I was captivated by Tom. I get a feeling someone like him will lose it if Trump fails, given he has so much hope in him. I think most of us are like that now.
Thanks Doc ❤️
It's a very dangerous place to be in. We can't afford to put our faith in others. This is how they get us everytime.
So powerful. What a great man and his answer to your signature question made me tear up. With people like you two on our side we must surely prevail
You are both absolutely amazing and I thank you for all you're doing from the bottom of my heart 🙏❤️
Really enjoyed this one. And what an absolute hero and legend this man is!!
Hi, Doc -
I came here to leave a comment; and then I read a few before starting to write this …
(Fascinating and so human that I kind of heard a “different conversation” to the one which some other people heard: but that’s just the way it is with experience: that’s why it’s so important we all be able to speak freely.)
What I came here to say was:
1. Such a great conversation: thank you.
2. I hugely appreciate the space and listening silence you gave Tom when he spoke for several minutes around the 1 hour 35 mark. He sees things a bit differently from you. But you let him say how he sees things. Which meant we could all benefit from hearing two points of view.
3. I also admire and appreciate your response, when you said how you got it that you, Doc Malik, didn’t know what it was like to be president or HHS secretary. I think this was “big” and also right of you. (Myself, I think that each of us are continuously subject to such a barrage of Asch conformity pressures and Milgram authority pressures that - even when we’re US president or HHS secretary - it’s very difficult to act with that piercing focus and integrity which the Cartesian model and rationalist epistemology suggest. Therefore we must sometimes make allowances for those in power. And of course the question is: when? So, whilst I don’t share the same degree of suspicion as you do of Trump, I gladly listen to you with heightened interest - because I admire you and because you, here, think differently from me.)
4. Lastly, my partner, Charlotte - whom I treated to your health retreat in June - had the most wonderful time ever with you: thank you so much. She still talks about it with such joy. And I know the experiences she had will continue to be a strength and blessing to her.
You’re a great spirit, Doc: thank you.
Always all the best,
Stephen (and if you come through Shropshire, please let us know)
What a beautiful comment! Thank you ❤️🙏🏻
Thanks Doc. You and Tom are two of my favourite geezers. You’re right, until we all rise up nothing will happen. We are many, they are few. We can win this!! 😃❤️
Dang right there... It's hard work trying to get others to take you seriously though. Very few are the slightest bit interested... The apathy is off the chart. I understand 'why', to a degree, but surely fighting for future freedom is more important than anything. For some of us it is but we are still too few imho.
Of course I have heard about Tom Rense throughout these last few years but no details about him. I was so impressed with him during this podcast. Thank you Doc for shining this light on him. The two of you are shining stars in this world of deception. Much love!
I don’t blame Trump or JFK, I know they’re compromised.
No politician is working at the whim of public opinion, Brexit proved that
Anyone defending Trump is either delusional or controlled, sorry. Gave up with this one halfway in 🤦
Matthew :20- you will know them by their fruits. Trump has family, other trusted sources. Trumps a baddie Doc. And as for Tom R, I’m going to give him the Benefit of the doubt for the moment, who clearly was uncomfortable with the direction of the conversation which reminded me of a deer in headlights.
This is an absolute stand out conversation with so much I needed to understand about our current situation. Thank you so much Ahmad and Tom. Just wonderful, and I’ve shared it widely. I certainly am doubting Trump, but respect Tom’s opinions too.
I’ve listened to this podcast twice. Tom is passionate, emotionally sincere and presents himself as a true warrior…… I ain’t buying any of it.